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Post one here

Yes, as the subject says today we're dealing with the the word order and nominal grammar in my two conlangs. It's a long post so I'm adding a cut.
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Post three here

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Sorry if the font is weird on this. Copying and pasting from notes.

Since I'm currently between jobs due to redundancy (Though I do have several interviews and potential interviews happening so I'm sure it won't be for long) I've decided it's a good time to work on what I've referred to as "The Opal Mask" conlang. The Opal Mask itself is on hold but another story "Shattering" is coming along nicely.

Shattering is set in the same world and region but several centuries earlier. You may remember it the first few hundred words of it from
here. So I'm going to try and make a post per day on my conlangs, at least until I get another job.

You'll have noticed that there are two languages named in the subject - these are working names and may well change. Ketsa is a complete redo of the languages you'll find in the original Opal Mask conlang posts. Alisi is the language of a nearby (and somewhat antagonist) neighbour. The two languages are from different language families and thus very different. So without further ado:



Ketsa

Phonology:

Consonants:

 

 

labio-dental

alveolar

palatal

velar

uvular

glottal

stops

p b

t d

 

k g

 

 

fricatives

f v

s z

 

 

 

h

affricates

 

ts dz

 

 

 

 

approximants

w

r l

y

ŗ

 

 

nasals

m

n

ny

ng

 

 

 

Notes: Yes, I dropped the aspirated stops. They were a complication I didn't need. The orthography for the velar approximant is subject to change if I can think of a better one since r and ŗ aren't very distinct visually..

 

Vowels

 

 

front

central

back

 

unrounded

rounded

unrounded

rounded

unrounded

rounded

closed

 

 

 

 

 

 

mid

e

 

 

 

 

 

open

a

 

 

 

 

o

 

Dipthongs:
Dipthongs in Ketsai are best analysed as vowel-semivowel combinations but are orthographised here using vowels that don't exist as separate sounds in the language. In this context i is ɪ and u is ʊ:
ai au ei eu oi ou

 

Phonotactics:
(C)(A)V(S,N) (C=any consonant, A=Approximant, V-Any Vowel, S-Stop, N=Nasal)
CAV(S,N) can only occur when the initial C is not an Approximant.

 

Type:
Agglutinative (though I suspect the descendant languages will be fusional or even isolating)

Stress:

The first syllable of a word is stressed. Monosyllabic words are not stressed unless they are the final word in a question.

Pitch:

A rising pitch generally occurs on all the penultimate syllable of polysyllabic words but not on monosyllabic words. The exception is the last word of a question where the rising pitch is on the final syllable and monosyllabic words are also have pitch.



 
Alisi

Phonology:
Consonants:

 

 

labio-dental

alveolar

palatal

velar

uvular

glottal

stops

p pp b

t tt d

 

k kk g

q qq gh

 

fricatives

f

s ll

 

ch

sj

 

affricates

 

 

 

 

 

 

approximants

 

l

 

j

r

 

nasals

m

n

 

 

 

 

 

Notes: pp, tt, kk and qq are ejectives (pronounced with simultaneous closure of the glottis). Ll is a voiceless lateral fricative identical to the one orthographised that way in Welsh.

Vowels:

 

front

central

back

 

unrounded

rounded

unrounded

rounded

unrounded

rounded

closed

i

 

 

 

 

u

mid

e

 

 

 

 

o

open

 

 

a

 

 

 

Notes: Alisi has only pure vowels.

 

Phonotactics:
(C)V – Only the first syllable of a word can be V.

Type:
Agglutinating

Stress:
Stress in polysyllabic words is on the first syllable. Monosyllabic words are unstressed except for the question indicator particle (more on this later).


Back tomorrow with Nominal Grammar!

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And I'm telling myself it really only needs to be a naming language.

This is for the same world as Mountain/Sea (now named Anjaran temporarily - once I work out how they'd form it the end will likely change) and Island (which I have basically thrown out and started again on - more soon).

Ezærin is the language of another seafaring people who will appear in the same story and who come from further south (since Fantasy World One's major landmasses are southern hemisphere this amounts to them being from temperate or arctic climes). I don't have much detail on them yet.


Consonants
 

 

Labial

Alveolar

Retroflex

Alveolo-palatal

Velar

Glottal

Nasal

m

n

ɳ

 

ŋ

 

Plosive

voiceless

p

t

ʈ

ȶ

k

ʔ

voiced

b

d

ɖ

ȡ

g

 

Affricate

voiceless

 

ts

ʈ͡ʂ

t͡ɕ

 

 

voiced

 

dz

ɖ͡ʐ

d͡ʑ

 

 

Fricative

voiceless

 

s

ʂ

ɕ

 

h

voiced

 

z

ʐ

ʑ

 

 

Approximant

 

ɹ

ɻ

 

w

 

Lateral

 

l

 

ȴ

 

 

 

Vowels:
 

 

Front vowels

Back vowels

Unrounded

Rounded

Unrounded

Rounded

High

i • ĩ

y • ỹ

 

u • ũ

Mid

e • ẽ

ø • ø̃

 

o • õ

Low

æ ǣ

œ • œ̃

a • ã

 

Tilde (or macron is the case of ash) represent nasal vowel.

Not sure where the underlining comes from as it's not in my notes and I copied and pasted.

Phonotactics:


  • (C)V(C)(C)
  • Possible consonant clusters are fricative + stop or affricate and approximants (including laterals) + obstruent.
  • The vowels are nasal immediately before or after a nasal consonant in the same syllable (fixed allophony) and sometimes at the end of a syllable (where it has grammatical function).
  • Stress is on word root.
That's all I have for now. Any thoughts?

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As I mentioned here these people do not have a word for horse yet but checking my timeline I realised they will be encountering them soon so I thought I'd deal with them. The horses they'll be encountering at this point belong to a nomadic race who end up migrating into my people territory and are actually large ponies in size and probably conformation. To my people they look a lot like donkeys and are around the same size. It's no wonder they think of them as a sort of donkey and call them "small-eared donkey".

So how do we say that?

Ear is petapʰak (note: this only applies to lugholes not cereal ears) and so a small ear is petapʰrēpʰak. As an adjective that is petapʰrē.

So small-eared donkey would be rekklapʰak petapʰrē.

Of course that's a bit of a mouthful
so it's entirely possible they'll just call them donkeys most of the time.

I wonder how long it'll be before they discover mules...




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This is my first attempt at the personal pronouns. I'm not to sure if they work (I think they may be a little similar) so feedback is welcome. These are the roots. First person never inflects for noun class and second and third only in formal situations. They do inflect for case as appropriate.

First Person Singular - Ke
First Person Dual Inclusive (me and you) - Kela
First Person Dual Exclusive (me and a third person) - Kedo
First Person Plural Inclusive (us and you) - Kema
First Person Plural Exclusive (us not including you) - Kede
Second Person Singular - La
Second Person Dual - Ledo
Second Person Plural - Lot
Third Person Singular - Dom
Third Person Dual - Dabo
Third Person Plural - Det

Rather sleepy so more tomorrow. Does anyone have any thoughts on woords they'd like.
 
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And it's all to do with donkeys - yes even the booze.

At the point in their history when they are speaking this language these people have only a few domesticated animals - the dog, the ferret, the goat, various poultry and the donkey - which is their primary beast of burden

Which probably explains why they get their verb for carry from their word for donkey.

Donkey - rekklapʰak gives rekklaot.

Their donkeys are
similar in size to the Catalan Donkey which is about as large as donkeys get and comparable with a large pony. As of this point they haven't encountered horse but once they their name for horse will mean "small-eared donkey".

Now on to the new booze.

They obtain milk from both their goats and their donkeys. The goat's milk is usually made into yogurt and labneh (strained yogurt) while the donkey milk is fermented into a drink that's similar to Kumis (donkey's milk having a very similar make-up to mare's milk) which is the primary drink of children because it's lower in alcohol than mead or beer, is nutritious and safer than water.

The name for this drink is kisatago from kisapʰak meaning milk (they consider milk animate - in retrospect I think honey/blood should be amadpʰak not amaddzla). I'll sort out their words for goats, yogurt and labneh another day.

Note to self - get all these words into the lexicon pronto.



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As I mentioned in this post many (but not all) comparatives such as big and small  are handled by adjectives in English are infixes in this language (in much the same way that we sometimes use -let as a suffix to indicate smallness in English)

Other adjectives are seperate words and appear immediately after the noun and behave very like nouns but not exactly. They decline for case (to match the noun they describe) but do not take a gender (which I suppose makes them a noun class as well).

That decided we can do our first five colours.

Black - kratak (also means dark)
White - ekra (also means clear)
Red - amad
Green - yonet
Yellow - orem

No, it's not a coincidence that ekra is the root of water and amad is the root of blood/honey they name the colours by association. So these words might literally be seen as the adjective class forms of night (kratakago), water, blood/honey, leaf (yonetpʰak) and ripe grain (orempʰak) respectively.

Yes they think of night as spirit, they can't touch it but its certainly real so it makes sense to them.







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Today three or four animal verbs depending on how you look at it.

1. Ibex - bendapʰak. The verb that comes from this is bendaot which refers to climbing rocks.
2. Cormorant -
tsretpʰak. The verb that comes from this is tsretot which refers to fishing.
3. Otter - trakapʰak gives the verb for swimming trakaot.

And the fourth which may not be an animal verb depending on your perspective?

4. Human - adekrapʰak. Interestingly even a mage is adekrapʰak rather than being shifted into the spirit class when refering to their species. This is because adekraago means god or goddess. The actual word for mage is adekrateago. The verb that comes from this is adekraot - which refers to speaking.

For aq challenge to produce one word a day I seem to be doing more than that. :-)

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Well numbers are words and they are most certainly commonplace.
  1. an
  2. ba
  3. zeg
  4. mot
  5. ved
When counting without naming the thing being counted numbers take its noun class. eg: If you were counting sheep it would be anpʰak, bapʰak, zegpʰak etc. If the thing is named then the number is treated as an adjective (and I'm not sure how I'm handling adjectives yet - I'll decide this weekend).

Hope this all makes sense.



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Let's start with the whoops.

I made a big cock-up with the water and land nouns gender. See the noun class suffixes in this post and compare them to the landscape nouns in this post and this post. I really don't think they think the landscape is abstract. Eka should be dzla in all of those (except for the name of the world which is correctly in the spirit gender). *facepalm* I'll fix that this weekend.

I also think that perhaps -te- infixed -eka words should also shift to -pʰak (mundane animate) as well. I've changed it for mundane dancer in the suffixes post but I may yet change it back as the -te- is in itself a reference to the fact this is a human. Feedback on this is welcome.


Two more Lexember words

More animal nouns and verbs - again the verbs mean similar things though the creatures are very different.

1. Bee - dzadzapʰak (yes that is supposed to be an onomatopœia). The verb that comes from this is dzadzaot which refers to preserving or otherwise preparing food ready to be stored as bees make their honey for winter.

2. Squirrel - yontadpʰak. The verb form is yontadot which means to store food up for the winter as squirrels hoard nuts. Yontadeka is their name for late summer/early autumn.

As always feedback is welcome.





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Opal Mask Conlanging Contents Page

So I was musing on Twitter about what I should make my Lexember words for today and [personal profile] aldersprig suggested beer. At which point I had to stop and decide if my conculture has beer. Basic answer - they have grain crops so probably. They certainly have mead/ honey wine.

So then words for beer and mead...

Next consideration is what gender would they be? Beverages are inanimate but I can't help thinking my people wouldn't see them that way. As I thought about this I realised something - even though there is real magic in their world they are not 100% clear on what is and isn't magic and consider the psychoactive effects of alcohol to be sacred/magical.  Both words therefore belong to the spirit gender.

1. Beer - dzotago. Dzotdzla is a sort of twice-baked hard bread primarily used for brewing but also as a winter ration due to its keeping properties.
2. Mead - amadago. Interestingly, since they associate honey with blood in a very literal way, this means that amadago is also their word for divine blood (and also the blood of magicians). Amaddzla is ordinary unfermented honey (and also the blood of non-magical humans and creatures). This suggests to me that the honey they are most familiar with is honeydew honey which is darker than normal honey and appears amber-red.

So two words with a small side order of worldbuilding.

Comments? Suggestions for other words I can create this month.



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Contents page for previous Opal Mask conlanging posts.

This language has a set of verbs my notes call animal verbs. These are verbs are animal nouns that have been verbed to describe an action people associate with that animal.

We actually have a few such verbs in English though they are fairly informal.

Examples: He wolfed his food, she squirreled away money, he weaseled his way in etc. I'm sure you can think of more.

Such words are a formal part of this conlang however. This gives me an advantage because it means one animal word I produce has the potential to give me a lot more words. Therefore I am going to be creating 31 word roots not 31 words for lexember and will hopefully give me quite a vocabulary by the end.

Words:

We're starting with the two main predators known to these people. The verbs that come off them are actually very similar as you will see.

1. Wolf -  Rempʰak (absolutive case, animate gender). When verbed this word means hunt as part of a group and the simple form is ramot. From this we get four more possible nouns: remago - magical group hunt, remeka - mundane group hunt, remteago - magical hunter (who hunts in a group), remteeka - mundane hunter (who hunts in a group).

2. Lynx - Kragpʰak (absolutive case, animate gender). When verbed this word means hunt alone and the simple form is kragot. Once again you can get 4 more possible nouns out of this by amending the suffixes just as above.

So that's my first two lexember word roots. Twelve words for the price of two - not bad.



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So thanks to [personal profile] aldersprig and [livejournal.com profile] haikujaguar I have learned of this thing known as Lexember. It's a conlanging challenge to create one new word for your conlang everyday for the month of December.

I wanted to get back to working on The Opal Mask conlang again now NaNoWriMo is over (why yes, I won again :-D) and this seems like a good way to do it.

I'll do the first post tonight and will do two words tonight and tomorrow to catch up.

Does anyone have any words they would like to see?

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The land nouns I mentioned yesterday.

 World
(Name)

 
MountainHillValley
Ergativetlaidagoadatlenodekaadatlenodpʰrēekaadaesadekaada
Accusativetlaidagotsotlenodekatsotlenodpʰrēekatsoesadekatso
Absolutivetlaidagotlenodekatlenodpʰrēekaesadeka
Genitivetlaidagowattlenodekawattlenodpʰrēekawatesadekawat
Dativetlaidagodyak tlenodekadyaktlenodpʰrēekadyakesadekadyak
Vocativetlaidagolo---

 gorgeplaincliff
Ergativeprainakekaadadzogekaadapraitekaada
Accusativeprainakekatsodzogekatsopraitekatso
Absolutiveprainakekadzogekapraiteka
Genitiveprainakekawatdzogekawatpraitekawat
Dativeprainakekadyakdzogekadyakpraitekadyak
Vocative---


I should do some animals next and then some verbs. :-)
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I've started with some nouns for natural places or objects. But first some of those infixes that go between root and gender.

Small: -pʰrē-
Large: -yad-
Artificial version of a magical thin
g: -avet-
Artificial version of a non-magical thing: -dzat-

Note: -avet- indicates that the thing itself is magic not the method of making it.

Water-related nouns:

Declined in the inanimate gender. For spirit gender just change the suffix (and infix in the case of well)

 WaterSeaLakeRiver
Ergativeekraekaadasretyadekaadasretekaadaatrenekaada
Accusativeekraekatsosretyadekatsosretekatsoatrenekatso
Absolutiveekraekasretyadekasretekaatreneka
Genitiveekraekawatsretyadekawatsretekawatatrenekawat
Dativeekraekadyaksretyadekadyaksretekadyakatrenekadyak
Vocative----

 StreamWaterfallSpringWell
Ergativeatrenpʰrēekaadatsrētsrōkekaadaestrāekaadaestrādzatekaada
Accusativeatrenpʰrēekatsotsrētsrōkekatsoestrāekatsoestrādzatekatso
Absolutiveatrenpʰrēekatsrētsrōkekaestrāekaestrādzateka
Genitiveatrenpʰrēekawattsrētsrōkekawatestrāekawatestrādzatekawat
Dativeatrenpʰrēekadyaktsrētsrōkekadyakestrāekadyakestrādzatekadyak
Vocative----

(sorry about the crazy overwide table - hopefully fixed now.

I have seven land related nouns as well but it's getting late here so I'll post them tomorrow.

But hey, actual words.

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Both case and noun class/gender are indicated by suffixes. The basic structure is root-gender-case. Some infixes go between root and gender - these are infixes like -te- from the previous post. Certain adjectives such as big and small are also infixed here - I'll deal with these as we go. I still haven't decided what to do about adjectives in general.

So let's deal with suffixes for case and gender.

Gender:

  • Spirit -ago
  • Physical/Animate -pʰak (I really need a better orthography).
  • Material/Inanimate -dzla
  • Abstracts -eka
Case:
So let's use the four dance related nouns and decline them (note - not all nouns have a vocative form).


 Magical Dance
Magical DancerMundane DanceMundane Dancer
Ergative
blanagoadablanteagoadablanekaadablantepʰakada
Accusativeblanagotsoblanteagotsoblanekatsoblantepʰaktso
Absolutiveblanagoblanteagoblanekablantepʰak
Genitiveblanagowatblanteagowatblanekawatblantepʰakwat
Dativeblanagodyakblanteagodyakblanekadyakblantepʰakdyak
Vocative-blanteagola-blantepʰakla

Now that I've got that sorted out I can start turning these roots I've made into words. So hopefully there really will be some vocab for tomorrow.

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(I should do a sneeze post for this lot soon).

In preperation for working out words for Language one I thought it would be a good idea to have some idea of how my nouns are structured as well.

So since I had that convenient verb just sitting there I decided to noun it.

So blanot is the verb dance (Hey I don't have an infinitive form... hmm) so presumably the root blan relates to dancing.

So to noun the verb I need to work out how this becomes a noun.

A thing to consider is that in this culture there are magical and non-magical dances. Magical dances will belong in the spirit gender and non-magical dances in the abstract so this gives me a chance to work out the suffixes for both of them.

So lets say -ago is the suffix for the spirit gender and -eka for the abstract gender.
  • The word for a magical dance would be blanago.
  • The word for a non-magical dance for entertainment would be blaneka.
But there's another two words we can get from this root and those would be the words for dancer. Now the word for human being will be in the sprit gender but words for people who do things will fall in the class that best fits what they do. So where you could use a an -er affix in English there is a -te- infix in Language One.
  • A person who channels magic by dancing is blanteago.
  • A mundane dancer is blanteeka (Phonotatics note - te-eka  with a slight hiatus between te and eka rather than -teka. It is likely this will fuse in the daughter languages)
Hopefully this all works because it's time to think of some other nouns.

Opinions?
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Elaborations

I'm conscious that simple saying the vowels are a, e, o and ā, ē, ō doesn't actually tell you a darned thing about how they are pronounced since English actually has a lot more than five vowels. British and American vowel pronunciation also varies a lot (and heck I don't speak Received Pronunciation myself) so simply giving word examples won't help.

The first part of this post will therefore deal with vowel pronunciation.

First note: The vowels with macrons are simply held twice as long like Japanese double vowels.
Hopefully that helps.

Additions

I'm adding aspirated stops  and a velar approximant (I seem to like approximants). I'm also correcting the position of another approximant from labial to labio-dental (which was always the sound I had in mind. I'm not especially happy with the current orthography for the labio-dental and velar approximants and have no idea how to orthographise (is this a word?) the aspirated stops. Any suggestions welcome). I've also added links to the wiki articles for each sound (except the aspirated stops).

 labiallabio-
dental
alveolarpalatalvelarglottal
Stopsp pʰ
b
 t tʰ
d
 k kʰ
g
 
Fricatives  s
z
   
Affricates  ts
dz
   
Approximants wr lyv 
Nasalsm n   

This gives me an inventory of of 20 consonants - which seems reasonable. English has 24, Rotokas has 11 and Ubykh had 84 (some of the Khoisan languages have even more).

Back later or tomorrow with words!
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First Post here
Previous Post


So Pronouns.

Pronouns will of course decline for case (and gender/class where appropriate).

Personal Pronouns
  • First Person Singular
  • First Person Dual Inclusive (me and you)
  • First Person Dual Inclusive (me and a third person)
  • First Person Plural Inclusive (us and you)
  • First Person Plural Exclusive (us not including you)
  • Second Person Singular
  • Second Person Dual
  • Second Person Plural
  • Third Person Singular
  • Third Person Dual
  • Third Person Plural
Not quite as baroque as Mountain's personal pronouns though the dual forms are an added twist though quite common in real human languages as are the exclusive and reflexive form.

Interrogative Pronouns
  • Which
  • What
  • Where
  • Who
  • When
  • How
  • Why
Pretty much the same as English - not very imaginative I guess. Now do they have whence and whither as well I wonder? I suspect they would. Hmm...

Demonstrative Pronouns
  • This
  • That
  • Yon (if there was ever an archaic word that needed resurrecting it's yon. That nearby and that over there is such a useful distinction)
  • These
  • Those
  • Is there a plural of Yon? Anyway they have a pronoun for "those over there"

I'm not sure how they handle Indefinite Pronouns yet. I think they handle the qualifiers like adjectives. I haven't even thought about adjectives yet.

Tomorrow a bit of word making - Nouns and maybe a few more verbs.

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